This is only a small sample of Israel’s wonderful kindness to its closest neighbours

Deir Yassin: 9-10 April 1948: The massacre that
became the symbol of Zionist aggression of the Palestinians as
well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had
agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement
of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence, provided
their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their
side of the promise. In an operation which was called Operation
Unity, the Haganah cooperated with the Irgun and the Stern
Gang in this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 they
surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish
settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore. For two days Zionist
terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole
their jewelry. A chilling account of the massacre is given by
a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day
and saw himself, the, “mopping up” as one of the terrorists put
it to him. He says that the “mopping up” had been done with
machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives.
Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the
hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were
murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were
bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were
maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain
and their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of
the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was
going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.


The Dahmash Mosque Massacre: 11 July 1948, after the Israeli
89th Commando Battalion lead by Moshe Dayan occupied Lydda, the
Israelis told Arabs through loudspeakers that if they went into
a certain mosque they would be safe. In retaliation for a hand
grenade attack after the surrender that killed several Israeli
soldiers, 80-100 Palestinians were massacred in the mosque,
their bodies lay decomposing for 10 days in the midsummer
heat. The mosque still stands abandoned today. This massacre
spread fear and panic among the Arab population of Lydda and
Ramle, who were then ordered to march out of these towns after
they were stripped of all personal belonging by Israeli
soldiers. Yetzak Rabin, Brigade Commander then says: There
was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in
order to make the inhabitants march ten to fifteen miles to the
point where they met up with the legion. Most of the 60,000
inhabitants of Lyda and Ramble came to refugee camps near
Ramallah, around 350 lost their lives on the way through
dehydration and sun stroke. Many survived by drinking their own
urine. The conditions in the refugee camps were to claim more
lives.


Kafr Qasem: 29 October 1956 Israeli frontier guards
started at 4pm what they called a tour of the Triangle
Villages. They told the Mukhtars of those villages that the
curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5 PM instead of
6 PM. They reached Kafr Qasem around 4:45 and the
Mukhtar protested that there are about 400 villagers working
outside the village and there is not enough time to inform them
of the new times. An officer assured him that they will be
taken care of. Then the guards waited at the entrance to the
village, 43 Kafr Qasem inhabitants were massacred in cold blood
by the army as they returned from work, their crime was
violating a curfew they did not know about. On the northern
entrance of the village 3 were killed and 2 were killed inside
of the village. Amongst the dead were men, women, and children.
An officer called Danhan was touring the area in his jeep reporting the
massacre, on his wireless he said "minus 15 Arabs" after a
while his message on the radio to his H.Q. was "it is difficult
to count".


Sabra and Shatila: 15-18 September 1982, after
the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Phalangist puppets of the
Israelis massacred over 2000 Palestinian men, women and
children under the watchful eyes of the Israeli army. A body
count by the International committee of the Red Cross revealed
2750 dead, the real figure is thought to be much higher and may
never be known. Some figures of the death toll is as low as 460.




Eretz Checkpoint: 17 July 1994, Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed that Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought in by the occupation forces, while a number of settlers were taking part in firing at Palestinians. Protests had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge.


The First Qana Massacre as reported by Robert Fisk: 18 April, 1996, Qana, southern Lebanon - It was a massacre. Not since Sabra and Shatila had I seen the innocent slaughtered like this. The Lebanese refugee women and children and men lay in heaps, their hands or arms or legs missing, beheaded or disemboweled. There were well over a hundred of them. A baby lay without a head. The Israeli shells had scythed through them as they lay in the United Nations shelter, believing that they were safe under the world's protection. Like the Muslims of Srebrenica, the Muslims of Qana were wrong.
In front of a burning building of the UN's Fijian battalion headquarters, a girl held a corpse in her arms, the body of a grey- haired man whose eyes were staring at her, and she rocked the corpse back and forth in her arms, keening and weeping and crying the same words over and over: "My father, my father." A Fijian UN soldier stood amid a sea of bodies and, without saying a word, held aloft the body of a headless child.
"The Israelis have just told us they'll stop shelling the area," a UN soldier said, shaking with anger. "Are we supposed to thank them?" In the remains of a burning building - the conference room of the Fijian UN headquarters - a pile of corpses was burning. The roof had crashed in flames onto their bodies, cremating them in front of my eyes. When I walked towards them, I slipped on a human hand...
Israel's slaughter of civilians in this terrible 10-day offensive - 206 by last night - has been so cavalier, so ferocious, that not a Lebanese will forgive this massacre. There had been the ambulance attacked on Saturday, the sisters killed in Yohmor the day before, the 2-year-old girl decapitated by an Israeli missile four days ago. And earlier yesterday, the Israelis had slaughtered a family of 12 - the youngest was a four- day-old baby - when Israeli helicopter pilots fired missiles into their home.
Shortly afterwards, three Israeli jets dropped bombs only 250 metres from a UN convoy on which I was travelling, blasting a house 30 feet into the air in front of my eyes. Travelling back to Beirut to file my report on the Qana massacre to the Independent last night, I found two Israeli gunboats firing at the civilian cars on the river bridge north of Sidon.
Every foreign army comes to grief in Lebanon. The Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinians by Israel's militia allies in 1982 doomed Israel's 1982 invasion. Now the Israelis are stained again by the bloodbath at Qana, the scruffy little Lebanese hill town where the Lebanese believe Jesus turned water into wine.
The Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres may now wish to end this war. But the Hizbollah are not likely to let him. Israel is back in the Lebanese quagmire. Nor will the Arab world forget yesterday's terrible scenes.
The blood of all the refugees ran quite literally in streams from the shell-smashed UN compound restaurant in which the Shiite Muslims from the hill villages of southern Lebanon - who had heeded Israel's order to leave their homes - had pathetically sought shelter. Fijian and French soldiers heaved another group of dead - they lay with their arms tightly wrapped around each other - into blankets.
A French UN trooper muttered oaths to himself as he opened a bag in which he was dropping feet, fingers, pieces of people's arms.
And as we walked through this obscenity, a swarm of people burst into the compound. They had driven in wild convoys down from Tyre and began to pull the blankets off the mutilated corpses of their mothers and sons and daughters and to shriek "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great") and to threaten the UN troops.
We had suddenly become not UN troops and journalists but Westerners, Israel's allies, an object of hatred and venom. One bearded man with fierce eyes stared at us, his face dark with fury. "You are Americans," he screamed at us. "Americans are dogs. You did this. Americans are dogs."

Of course, there have been many other acts of kindness by Israel, the shelling of a Palestinian family as they had a picnic at the beach, Beit Hanoun (at least twice) and of course the second Qana massacre.

So, I raise my glass to Israel and wish her a happy birthday, but even more, I wish that all her leaders from first to last and all the people who supported them burn in the depths of hell, along with the Hitler’s, Stalin’s and Pol Pot’s of this world.

Shalom Aleikhem !!!




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medfreak, on 5/16/2008 1:37:59 PM
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The mere existence of Palestinians in the face of immense oppression, occupation and against the most high tech army in the region and backed by the superpower of the world, is a win in its own accord. Israel's original plan in 1948 was to drive the Palestinians out from the very beginning. Sixty years later, that is far from happening. IF anything, Israel must understand that those "pesky" Palestinians are not going anywhere, and they are procreating twice rate Israelis are.

In 60 years, either demographics win the game, or Israel is going to start its own holocaust against the Palestinians.


P.S. Palestinians did an election, Hamas won, power was transmitted peacefully, until Israel and the U.S. fucked up with the internal politics. Its not anyone's choice or the Palestinians' "Plan".
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the4thwall, on 5/16/2008 2:12:01 PM
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Here's a fun fact from your favorite Iranian:

If your an iranian jew, Israel will give you a home, job and about 30 000 bucks JUST to live there. Iran allows Jews to leave. Guess what? They don't leave.
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/16/2008 3:34:28 PM
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@medfreak

"The mere existence of Palestinians in the face of immense oppression, occupation and against the most high tech army in the region and backed by the superpower of the world, is a win in its own accord."

So you win when you are poor and dead? You win when you are living in a refugee camp? You win when you fight amongst yourselves? You have a funny outlook of what a "win" is.
Don't get me wrong meds...I am not giving Israel a free pass. I understand that they have done some shitty things.
My point is that the Palestinians do shitty things also that ultimatly only hurt themselves. The victim mentallity is the slave whipping himself to spite the master. It is self-destructive.
For a gang war to end somebody has to quit shooting.
All Palestinians are not good and not all Israelis are evil. Vice versa.
If there can be peace in N.Ireland there can be peace in the Holy Land.
Both sides MUST claim responsiblity for their repective shitty actions.
However, like you said, foriegn fingers are all in that pot (Western and Arab w/respective agendas) and it does not help.



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Beeker, on 5/16/2008 5:26:07 PM
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@Maximus

"If there can be peace in N.Ireland there can be peace in the Holy Land."

That's exactly the point: for Northern Ireland to become subdued, England had to actually talk to the militants. Force didn't work, and Israel damn well knows that. The elites in Israel are the ones that WANT and NEED the conflict to continue to expand their power in the region, influence within the 1/4th of the radical population inside Israel that is dependent on the state, and free pass with America so they can keep the money flowing in. Besides, they get to steal more valuable land with every attack, much of it already promised to Canadian and American developers (Read into Mod'in for a clear ass example).

Really, I love my friends that are from Israel, but they are very clueless and xenophobic because of everything they are pumped from a young age, and when I get the chance to describe the situation from the POV of the Arabs with evidence, they usually understand and become very very pissed off at their leaders (its happened at least 10 times now).

I am a supporter of the A Federated State of Israel, or some other name, but one that supports semi-autonomy but a degree of fairness and cooperation: I know the Palestinians would be down largely (many wish to be patrioted to Israel) but Israelis may have to face the reality of their state and not look across their borders at their supposed enemy, but above to their real.

~Cheers
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/16/2008 6:30:24 PM
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@Beeker

"Really, I love my friends that are from Israel, but they are very clueless and xenophobic because of everything they are pumped from a young age..."

...and the Palestinians are not? Again, roadblock. Gang war continues...The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens? The Palestinians leadership has quite a bit to gain from an ongoing conflict also.

Maybe it is time to implement the pantented K.E.N. method.

Kill
Everyone
Now

A doomsday solution of epic proportions. You have 1 year to work out your differences. If these set goals are not met within that time, two Neutron Bombs will be dropped in the area. Killing everyone and leaving the infrastructure intact. The ultimate reset button.....
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Beeker, on 5/16/2008 9:01:28 PM
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@Shanus

"Gang war continues..."

Thanks to artificially undermining the political process and supporting certain clan leaders. The Palestinians don't really have a choice in the matter.

"The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens?"

When exactly did that happen? Every "ceasefire" has been so de jure however not de facto. In fact, many times they stepped up operations despite claiming to be in a time of the opposite of such. It's their MO.

And Eh, killing all people tends to not really work in the long run.

~Cheers
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:29:36 AM
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That is fair to say of the Israelis...but again, no mention that the Palestinians play the same game...

Sounds like the Palestinians are a bunch of puppets then....OH did I say That?
I guess the Israelis play a better game (since they are the Western puppet).....solution? Do you have one? One stipulation....Israel must exist as a state...Any solution with that stipulation? Probably not....

<end drunken ramble>

Game square one...
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medfreak, on 5/17/2008 12:31:42 AM
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@Shanus

I don't know which news you have been watching, but the "gang" wars are over for a few months, ever since Hamas took control of Gaza the hard way.

It is now a Political process. And again, it is not a simple process to go and end all feuds when one side is being pumped with Money, weapons and support (Fatah) while the other is being boycotted and sieged. It is not like Palestinians possess a Borg mentality to solve all issues at a whim.

"The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens?"

Oh please don't start with the chicken came first egg came first discussion. Israel NEVER EVER ceased fire. In fact I can easily claim the opposite.

In fact, Palestinians inside Palestine did not take up arms until 1988 when the first intifada started. during the time between 1948 and 1988 almost NO VIOLENCE was noted. Do you need a longer ceasefire than that?

"A doomsday solution of epic proportions. You have 1 year to work out your differences. If these set goals are not met within that time, two Neutron Bombs will be dropped in the area. Killing everyone and leaving the infrastructure intact. The ultimate reset button...."

I can already tell you what happens. Israelis well flee to countries like the U.S. and Europe, while Palestinians stay on their land.
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:34:46 AM
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@meds

"I can already tell you what happens. Israelis well flee to countries like the U.S. and Europe, while Palestinians stay on their land."

Yeah....I suppose that would be as fantastic as my doomsday plan.....
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:37:08 AM
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@meds

Just like I am fed the slanted news, you are also fed a slanted news. And somewhere in the middle is the truth...
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