Islamic Fundamentalism

A loving religion

One of gay-bashing (literally). Yes here in the states we make comments of "queer" and "fag" with ease and on occasion some asshole with pick a fight with a gay guy. In Islamic nations and now the many Islamic ghettos of Western Europe, there are regular beatings, stonings, and calls for the death of some unlucky homosexuals. Sometimes these death threats ring true.

It is a religion of female genital mutilation (something like cutting the clitoris and exterior lips of the vagina off without pain killers). So hey, let’s go get your kid sister, tie her to the kitchen table naked, get out the steak knife and HAVE AT IT! Just so in a few years she won’t wanna have sex because instead of sensation, there will be immense pain. But hey, she will be a virgin! Forget infections and fuck morals, let’s make it a okay by LAW to do this. In some parts of Western Europe, some imams are calling for sectors of shariah Islamic law to override the law of the states. So in a few short years it will be a heaven on earth.

Let’s go kill somebody because he put shame on my family. Shit... my daughter said she didn’t wanna marry some guy I assigned her but she hasn’t met him and he can't speak any language but his tribal one back in northern Iraq, let’s go kill her in the middle of the damn street. This my friends is called an honor killing. Fathers must restore the name and honor to their family. Often, if the chick has a nice ass and tits they will get a group of Muslims and rape her. Since in Islam, rape is the fault of the woman they are forced to kill her afterwards in order to balance out the honor system. Under the new shariah law we can do this all we want. Plus, when you marry a girl in Islam, she is your property and you can rape her in front of her father! He doesn’t mind! Well… as long as you’re punishing her for some rule she broke- like wearing a mask.

But hey lets say we don’t kill my daughter. She gets married to some ignorant slob in the Middle East. He and his family get free citizenship here because she was born in this shithole, let’s say Denmark. So they have kids and the common practice nowadays is to send your kids to Koran school (in the Middle East) even at the young age of 3. So, then when her kids get back to little Iraq in Denmark, they can’t speak a lick of the actual language and are only educated in one damn book. Good idea. So they stay in the ghettos their whole lives and do some honor killings and shit; the process starts again. Oh, and they funnel billions of government money out of the country to their homelands.

And to help matters: Western Europe's America-bashing and multicultural fuckshit. Western Europe's media (besides the UK) runs from far left to mid left. Political correctness runs rampant and if you call somebody out for their see no evil attitude you get labeled a bigot and a racist.

I guess it’s a total dismissal of the social values in Western Democracy.

Sorry if this is a rant.


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Romanov, on 5/15/2008 3:58:28 PM
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Hanafi wrote:

You can't say people are committing crimes because of the teachings derived from the Quran, then suddenly turn around on an excerpt that irrefutably promotes peace; and say nobody follows the Quran.
Either people follow the Quran, or they don't.
Pick one. You can't have it both ways, my friend. :)

look...

What i am saying is that the uneducated muslims follow the parts of the Koran they are taught. enough muslims are being taught enough of the "bad" parts of the koran that there is a sizable problem in western europe. i never said the whole koran was "bad". the bible has horrible parts to it as well but people have turned away from them in order to create a more modern, functioning society. If the muslims want to be part of this modern fuctioning society they can leave the shit behind. I am not saying they have to abandon their culture, but i am saying they must integrate. It is not all their fault that they aren't integrating into western society. The governments in Europe lean to the left and their is little incentive (financially) to integrate and learn the native language.
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/15/2008 4:41:17 PM
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@Volcanite

What you are missing is that it may not be Islam itself, but the fact that there are many people wrapping themselves and their throwback views within Islam and telling their flock that it is Allah's will to do these things.
You need to realise that there are quite a few of these dangerous "numbnuts" around and that change can only come from Islamic leaders themselves....Otherwise, the "Infidels" will do it for them. That is not good for anybody.
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finalflash, on 5/15/2008 5:50:41 PM
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Romanov wrote:
Hanafi wrote:

You can't say people are committing crimes because of the teachings derived from the Quran, then suddenly turn around on an excerpt that irrefutably promotes peace; and say nobody follows the Quran.
Either people follow the Quran, or they don't.
Pick one. You can't have it both ways, my friend. :)

look...

What i am saying is that the uneducated muslims follow the parts of the Koran they are taught. enough muslims are being taught enough of the "bad" parts of the koran that there is a sizable problem in western europe. i never said the whole koran was "bad". the bible has horrible parts to it as well but people have turned away from them in order to create a more modern, functioning society. If the muslims want to be part of this modern fuctioning society they can leave the shit behind. I am not saying they have to abandon their culture, but i am saying they must integrate. It is not all their fault that they aren't integrating into western society. The governments in Europe lean to the left and their is little incentive (financially) to integrate and learn the native language.



Do you not realize that most of you idiots here in the west are also taught the same way about Islam as the radical ones teach their followers. By breaking the Quran into one liners and not explaining the entire start and finish of even a small paragraph, you guys who write such articles as the one above learn in the same fashion. Just that you feel disgust, and they feel like they have a purpose. Then they go about and practice it as if its true, while you write and talk about it as if its true.

Seriously, stop kidding yourself, you know next to nothing of Islam. Go read the Quran or even a small verse of it from a translated version. Go read the whole paragraph which your one liners belong to at least. Then please quote the whole paragraph or enough of it (more than a line) to prove your case here if you still have a problem with it.
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Bebichan, on 5/15/2008 5:50:47 PM
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Bashed.
For being factually incorrect :).

I have to agree with what med has said in comments, i'm afraid Romanov that you have not researched into Islam properly.
If you did you would know the punishments for rape, the stance on honor killings, and that female circumcision is nothing to do with Islam.

What people practice today, despite it be practiced by a vastly "muslim" society, doesn't therefore make it an Islamic teaching.
Female circumcision has in no way been accepted by Islamic teachings and is a brutal teaching which has gone on for generations in un-developed societies. It is not mentioned any where in the Quran and has never been condoned by any Islamic scholars.

On honor killing in Islam i just want to quote:
"Most Islamic religious authorities prohibit extra-legal punishments such as honor killings, since they consider the practice to be a cultural issue. As certain pre-Islamic cultures still have regional influence, those who practice honour killing use Islam to justify honour killing, but there is no support for the act in the religion itself. "

And again i agree with what Med said on the rape issue...and add that in every muslim community i have ever been in, Rape is not only frowned upon but is considered one of the most disgusting acts.
I find it disgusting that you link fathers raping their daughters to Islam..that is vile and bigoted.
Muslims are still human and Muslim fathers still love their daughters...they don't have a daughter and automatically think "yay another kid to rape!"... and sure there may be some muslims that will rape their daughters, but there are fathers that rape their daughters everywhere i'm afraid...disgusting as it is.
You linking it to Islam is unjustified, and absurd.

As far as you wanting my opinion as a woman in Islam...
I have to say that women are not treated in this day according to how they are meant to be as taught by the Quran.
A lot of people have drawn up the misconception that the Quran and Islam teaches that women are not only below men, but are classed as the "dirt" of society...and this is an incorrect conception. In fact, despite how women are treated today in so-called Muslim countries, most notably Saudi Arabia, as far as i've read women are give a high standard in Islam and are referred to as "precious" and "pearls" and women are to be respected as daughters, wives and mothers. In fact in islam a mother is classed as three times more important than a father. While i don't agree with how women are being treated in Muslim countries, i have to emphasise that this is not how Islam intended women to be treated.
Being born and raised a Muslim i was always taught that women are to be respected, and your mother is to be honoured. It is also taught in Islam that if a child's mother does not approve of him/her neither will Allah, as your mother is the most important figure in your life.
In my experience, i have never been looked down upon in any Islamic society for being a woman, and have only had as much respect as i can ask for...as SHOULD be expected in any islamic society..

The issues with womens rights in Islamic countries are political issues, an issue that will be hard to resolve since most of these countries are led by elitists.
As far as i'm concerned though, women have only recently...all across the world been given proper rights and are STILL to this day all over the world not treated equally to men...so this is not just an issue in Islam but an issue across the whole world.

"What i am saying is that the uneducated muslims follow the parts of the Koran they are taught. enough muslims are being taught enough of the "bad" parts of the koran that there is a sizable problem in western europe. i never said the whole koran was "bad". the bible has horrible parts to it as well but people have turned away from them in order to create a more modern, functioning society. If the muslims want to be part of this modern fuctioning society they can leave the shit behind. I am not saying they have to abandon their culture, but i am saying they must integrate. It is not all their fault that they aren't integrating into western society. The governments in Europe lean to the left and their is little incentive (financially) to integrate and learn the native language."

Again with that said...Islam consists of now around 1.8 billion people...whatever you have seen does not represent the entire islamic population and in fact only the minority...you should have a look at the huge fundamental Christian society in north America. I know you aren't bashing the entire Quran..whatever..but if you want to talk about religious fundamentalism and the effects its had...consider all religions and consider using facts.
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Beeker, on 5/15/2008 6:58:49 PM
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Thank you med and bebi, saved me time and a half.

I couldn't say much more that'd be new information, and you guys put it well. Really, when it comes down to it, Ignorance in all it's forms is really the root cause of these problems and THAT is what should be combated. Not one particular group that is involved on it.

Romanov, if you are going to write something like this, make sure you back up your claims and make sure it flows better. Especially about Muslim society in Western countries, you might be surprised.

~Cheers
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Trooper111k, on 5/15/2008 7:44:55 PM
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"okay thats fine. fair points but when europe becomes predominantly muslim and enforces shariah law to an uneducated depleted socialist state, ill be glad to be across the pond "

*facepalm*

"Forgive them father for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:43)

Or say, in this case.
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Ny2ro, on 5/15/2008 7:47:43 PM
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Yeah....what they said.
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cadpig, on 5/15/2008 7:49:24 PM
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Yeah, Romanov....just sit back and watch the apologists spin and deny everything while the bodies pile up. Blame the uneducated muslims and social issues. Only works for so long..before people get fed up.
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Romanov, on 5/15/2008 7:57:24 PM
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okay. i have not read the whole koran. ya caught me, i have only read spotty paragraphs. I am looking at the effects of muslim ghettos in western europe. whether these have causes rooted in the koran is debatable. the danger is that these are side effects of this new brand of community, which happens to follow islam. i believe it not to be the islamic teachings, as i have attended mosques in the past and i didnt see anything unusual but i believe it to be the teachers, the leaders of the muslim world that are the cause. it may not be the book, but it is those who happen to read this book (not all, but enough) that do these "tribal" deeds. its like saying how smoking doesnt cause lung cancer, it certainly seems to be quite a coincidence
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Romanov, on 5/15/2008 8:00:52 PM
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thanks cadpig
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