I am Pro Enviroment.

Who is anti enviroment?

The big guys in Washington say they are for the enviroment. They say they want everyone to "go green". Going green? Can we please get a definition?

Going green is to unnaturally change our country, our people, and most importantly our economy.

Carbon taxes, market regulations, and trade barriers and prohibitions galore, this country is being overrun with the same kind of guys that said, "God wills it" back when Christians fought their first crusade against islam.

Going green hurts our economy. How? Well our economy at its natural state doesnt need to go green. Well, not just yet. In its normal course of action, oil is still not high enough to cause the uproar of intellectuals and innovators that would change the way our "free" market is run from black to green. There is not enough polluted air for people to give enough shit for them to actually make changes in their lives.

Going green forces change onto the country, the economy, and its people. It is like taking a leg out of a stool and replacing it with play-doh. The stool held you up just fine before. When the leg gets old, you replace it and not just with some half asses play-doh. Nay sir! You go get a good ass leg. The stool once again supports you.

The same goes for our economy. In the past when shit has hit the fan, in the beauty of capitalism, money is to be made in cleaning that shit up. Innovators and brilliant minds go to work to find that pool of money.

When cars were too expensive, did the government bail everyones ass out by forcing everyone to sell their horse and buggie for a shitty car? No! Henry ford got a mind and made a better car. He found it still was too expensive so he paid all of his workers 5 dollars an hour. People in kansas still make that amount of money today! He did this so there would be money circulating the economy, to boost the value of the dollar, and in effect: so more people could afford to buy his cars.

So FUCK going green. This does not mean i am anti enviroment. This means Im pro the natural way of things, the market as well as the enviroment.


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Romanov, on 4/16/2008 5:16:40 AM
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your right aetherbob

my arguement would be to take away the constraint put against those who are trying to find the feasible technology. hurting the already present companies of the old technology just hurts everybody in the process.
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ThisisJeff, on 4/16/2008 8:11:24 AM
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^Apparently you have not seen Chain Reaction w/ Keanu and Morgan Freeman.
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ShanusMaximus, on 4/16/2008 10:21:46 AM
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@Romanov

Good one man.
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Fallz, on 4/16/2008 2:31:29 PM
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I agree with your statement about "green"

However, I completely disagree with saying that it would be a "play doh" leg for the economy. If anything for the short run "going green" will produce more jobs. In the long run, the jobs will level out, people working in oil will then be working in other technologies.

I don't see how people don't understand that. For some reason a lot of people have this notion that being friendly to the environment will cost a lot of money and destroy everything (with the exclusion of the environment)

But I guess our country, and most other countries, like to look at things in the short term. Fuck our kids, grandkids, etc. If we're comfortable and happy that's all that matters.


Oh, and personally you'd save a shitload of money with a zero-energy home. Even upgrading you'd break even after a few years.
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Romanov, on 4/16/2008 3:53:28 PM
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explain to me how going green creates more jobs, it just changes the jobs description
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KungFu, on 4/16/2008 11:54:33 PM
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Romanov, there are different types of green.

You may wish to look into "bright" green which is pro consumerism, capitalism, and technology. Although they promote change, the change is by better, more intelligent / technological, ways of producing / building things, which are of course Earth friendly.

Discussion good, shouted.
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Romanov, on 4/17/2008 5:03:45 AM
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okay, will look into it

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Fallz, on 4/18/2008 10:33:33 AM
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I said in the long run the jobs will (technically) just be transfered. However, currently it would open a lot of jobs, since the American public will slowly switch over to more environmentally friendly technology as it gets cheaper and produced more. Once that levels off, then it wouldn't really be making any more jobs - assuming they don't come out with any more technology they need people to build, install, fix, etc.
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GhostStalker19, on 4/18/2008 12:12:20 PM
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I think you have an excellent point Romanov. it is nice to hear someone pointing out the downside to the "green revolution". shouted.
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Romanov, on 4/18/2008 12:16:52 PM
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Im not educated in the area enough to have a certain opinion. I just think the other side, the side of anti-regulation, needs to be presented
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