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Guns Don’t Kill People – Guns Do

   Posted by bulshoy  Promoted 60 days 11 hours ago  4918 views  editorial  

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The beginning of July holds two very important holidays in North America – Canada Day (July 1st) and Independence Day (July 4th). Since these two holidays come so close together, Canadian magazines and newspapers take the opportunity to write comparison articles between Canada and the United States. I read such an article yesterday.

One aspect of the article compared crime rates between the two countries. There were some surprises. For example, did you know that there is slightly more non-violent crime in Canada? I’ll bet you didn’t. However, you may have suspected that there is more violent crime in the US. You were right. The stats are as follows:
Canada
768
Guns per 100 peopleCanada
30
US
90
Auto Thefts per 100000 populationCanada
487
US
398
B & Es per 100000 PopulationUS
729
Arsons per 100000 PopulationCanada
41
US
27
Gun Murders per 100000 PopulationCanada
0.6
US
27
All Murders per 100000 PopulationCanada
1.9
US
5.7
Robberies Per 100000 PopulationCanada
94
US
149

Why did I bring this up? Well, in another gun-related thread, a ShoutWire user was trying to tell me that guns actually PREVENT crime. Yes, that’s right. The logic is that owning a gun deters people from fucking with you. A quick look at the stats may actually confirm this, unless of course you’re the target of robbery or murder.

The same guy also said that the number of murders in the US are not related to the number of guns. If that’s true, then why are there twice as many murders per 100000 in the US than in Canada? Before you answer, take a look at the other stat. There are…wait for it…45 times more gun-related murders in the US than in Canada. That’s no surprise if you consider that 90 out of 100 Americans own a gun while only 30 out of 100 Canadians do. So is it now safe to say that there are more gun-related murders in the US because there are more guns? I can’t wait for you to tell me “no.”

We all know America loves guns. You guys cherish the right to blow someone’s fucking head off, and that’s fine. It’s your country and you can run it however you’d like. Just don’t try to defend your gun policies by saying that guns reduce crime, or that more guns does not equal more murders.

So Americans, sling your gats carefully. Sure, they’ll deter people from taking your shit or burning your house down, but they won’t save you from being robbed or killed on the street.

Canadians, you might not be getting murdered left right and center, but people ARE taking your shit and burning your house down. I think we all know why that is, though – it’s because Canadians don’t lock their fucking doors, right Michael Moore?

Sources:

Small Arms Survey 2007, Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva;
Statistics Canada;
Crime In The United States 2006, FBI
Crime In Metropolitan America: City Crime Rankings, QC Press


Note: B&Es are called “burglaries” in the US.


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bulshoy, on 7/8/2008 11:51:26 AM
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Sorry about the space between the 2nd para and the table. Dunno wtf's up.
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Pakivelli, on 7/8/2008 11:55:29 AM
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nice sum up and comparison... wonder how little guns canada would have if they actually get stopped at the border while trying to get smuggled into our fine country.
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lolfighter, on 7/8/2008 11:57:50 AM
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90 guns per 100 people doesn't actually mean that 90% of the people own guns, since it is possible (and, I think, not unusual) for someone to own more than one gun.
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Dock, on 7/8/2008 11:58:25 AM
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Very nice work as usual, Bulshoy. Shouted.

The difference in stats could be due to the US having quite a few more dense low-income urban areas which may tend to boost certain crime rates (including murders) to levels higher than Canada.

I think demographics, population spread/dynamics and societal trends/history may be a big player in gun violence, though don't have any stats offhand to confirm the notion.
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sheathegreat, on 7/8/2008 11:59:55 AM
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Bulshoy: pick up the latest issue of Maclean's magazine. It features a comparison between us and our fellow southern neighbours much like yours, but focuses more on quality of life. You'll find some of the stats and figures in there veeeeery interesting, indeed.
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Tabacaru, on 7/8/2008 12:01:42 PM
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It's not about how many people guns kill... it's about how many minorities in gangs you can shoot down in 2 minutes. (I learned that from GTA)

By the way, I have no idea what Pakivelli is trying to say. There would be less guns in Canada if we didn't illegally immigrate to the US??????

Someone translate that for me please?
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sheathegreat, on 7/8/2008 12:06:59 PM
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Pakivelli is pondering how small the number of guns in Canada would be, if all of the guns that are smuggled into Canada were stopped at the border.

I see what he's trying to say but it doesn't make much sense.
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bulshoy, on 7/8/2008 12:07:02 PM
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"90 guns per 100 people doesn't actually mean that 90% of the people own guns"

Yeah, that's why I didn't say 90% of Americans own guns.

"Bulshoy: pick up the latest issue of Maclean's magazine."

That's the article that i'm referring to in the opening paragraph actually.

"By the way, I have no idea what Pakivelli is trying to say. There would be less guns in Canada if we didn't illegally immigrate to the US??????"

He is suggesting that most illegal guns in Canada come from the US (they do), and that if they searched for them at the border, we'd have less illegal guns on the streets.

@ logansport

Way to wow us with your relentless logic. Recess is over kid. Let the big people talk now.
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Tabacaru, on 7/8/2008 12:10:28 PM
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Makes sense... thought he meant "US" when he said "our fine country" which threw me off...
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nonamer, on 7/8/2008 12:11:49 PM
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logansport wrote:
guns dont kill people

americans kill people

cuz we have balls

and canadians are pussys

so fuck you


Hooray for logic and maturity
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