"That looks quite dishonest indeed. And I hope American citiziens solve this. But it ain't our business as Canadians. There is no point for the Canadian media to talk about Ron Paul. Hell, far-rightwingers have even less influence here than in the US. We don't talk about Ron Paul just like we don't talk about the Communist Party of America. Both are extremes, both are wrong, and both will lose."

We are in a war because of the US. They are our neighbors, our friends, and our biggest trading partners. What happens to them, happens to us.

Harper belongs to the PC party. If you'd read those links I provided earlier about the Reform Party, you'd know that these people are the most right wing nutjobs in the country. With fervent support from the US religious groups, and their fanbase full of ignorant rednecks and big money profiteers, they have led our country down a wicked path.

Harper sharing secret meetings, passing quiet laws doesn't interest you?

"To support Ron Paul, you obviously have no idea what libertarianism is, or you have some very fucked up values."

Your true colors are showing mate.

"I suggest you get yourself a political education before choosing ideologies like libertarianism. It may prevent you from choosing extremists and nutjobs. Because that what libertarians are. Libertarianism is a landslide that lead to violence and anarchy, provoked by an incredibly large gap between richs and poors."

Who says I choose anything?
All I'm doing is trying to convince people to look at the rules of fair play. Since when does that hold any singular political ideal? I would figure that one would be a given.

I'm not disagreeing that some factions of the libertarian platform aren't extremely out there, but then again I've seen environmentalist lefties who are just as militant as the hardcore right wing religious zealots.

I don't subscribe to the idea that everything stands as a dichotomy. There is such a thing as extremes and moderates. I find that people who go to extremes are usually the most pig-headed stubborn people who can't or won't admit that they could ever be wrong.

"He want to close military bases, and stop invading every places that doesn't see eye to eye with US politics. With the US standards, that's actually isolationism. You're obviously way too much influenced by the mainstream media you denounce to stop seeing the word as pejorative or negative. It's not."

LMAO. Yeah, that plan is really working out well for the US right now isn't it?
Your statement pretty much paints the US as insecure bullies with a small penis complex. 'Look at US, Look at our mighty phallic guuuuunnnnnns'.
*Flexes

Whatever man. That might be fine for playgrounds but in the global scheme, playing nicenice with your classmates doesn't wind up with people jumping out windows because of those crafty, jealous terrorists.

"It ain't pretty indeed. But it's not by going to an even more right-wing position you're going to solve this. Quite the contrary. It's like throwing oil into a raging fire."

How is not wasting money and manpower fighting foreign devils (on their land) such an extreme idea?
Regulating government overstepping is bad too?
Allowing cancer patients to not be labelled criminals if they smoke pot?
Best to lock em up and force prescription drugs on someone dying in pain.
Relinquishing the domineering control of the oil companies and allowing a free market that isn't bastardized by lobbyists and legal double standards.

Wow, those are such 'crazy' ideas.

"If you wanna shovel your every problems to others, yeah, it's their fault.

But if you want to stand up to your country, have a little backbone, you'll know that we're in Afghanistan because Chrétien, Martin and Harper said yes. And Canadians voted for them each time.

Stop blaming others, mature individuals are responsable of their actions."

Chretien's last act was to deny the US Canadian troops in Iraq. He left power, and Martin stepped in. Martin the tax dodger turned tail and said 'Ok, we'll put troops into Afghanistan since we can't put them in Iraq. I blame the US as instigators, but the Canadian government for complicity.

"Yeah, I know all this shit. I hate Harper too, I know all about the Reform Party too, and I will never vote for them, that's sure."

If you know all this shit, then you'd have read that the reform party no longer exists. It was the Reform Party/ Alliance that turned into the current PC government.

"Now, that's some demagogic shit if I ever saw some. Yeah I care. I just don't care about some libertarian loser having single-digit scores in primaries of a party I hate and couldn't care less about. Just like every others Canadians."

Yes, you really speak for all Canadians.

"You know, now would be the time to unveil this conspiracy and shout out loud my "true colors". Should I assume you ommited it? Or did you just try some half-assed attempt at discrediting me? Anyways, all I can say is: you fail."

I don't have to discredit you. You do it fine all by yourself. You started this topic pretending to support the guy but I think your last statements more or less confirm that you have something against the guy. Saying you like his foreign policy is a load of crap since you've already stated you consider him an isolationist. You played yourself son. Epic fail.

"And what about the flat tax? Abolishing countless governmental agencies? The policies you mentionned are good, but they don't make up for the others fucked up ideas Paul want to enforce."

At this point, I'd prefer to see someone like him in power in the US. The frontrunners are bullshitters of the highest calibre. Obama who is easily the best choice of the mainstream can't even garner majority from McCain, who constantly sounds like he just woke up, or Clinton, who is quickly becoming a political laughingstock.

Like any of that matters. It's a smokescreen soap opera that keeps people distracted from real news.

I've shown you clips of electorial manipulation. If the news did it's job like a real organization and not a government puppetshow, people might realize that something is terribly rotten in Denmark errr Washington.

"Chretien's last act was to deny the US Canadian troops in Iraq. He left power, and Martin stepped in. Martin the tax dodger turned tail and said 'Ok, we'll put troops into Afghanistan since we can't put them in Iraq. I blame the US as instigators, but the Canadian government for complicity."

Chrétien SENT the troops in Afghanistan. Martin moved them to Kandanhar, the dangerous region. You may lower the reponsability of our government, but know he's as guilty as the US's government.

"If you know all this shit, then you'd have read that the reform party no longer exists. It was the Reform Party/ Alliance that turned into the current PC government."

OMFG for real?!? I thought we were still in 1998...

"Yes, you really speak for all Canadians"

No, but I really did catch their opinion on this very subject. They don't care about Paul, they don't care about libertarians. End of story.

"You started this topic pretending to support the guy "

Did I say: "I support Ron Paul"? No. The very idea of me supporting Paul make me laugh. Good one.

"more or less confirm that you have something against the guy"

Meh, I have nothing about individual libertarians, they're way too much insignificant to matter. Libertarianism as an ideology, that I have something agaisnt.

"Saying you like his foreign policy is a load of crap since you've already stated you consider him an isolationist. "

WTF? I said I like his foreign policy, he want to come back to isolationism. Where the play? What's wrong? I actually gave a single good reason, a single caracteristic why its foreign policy is good. And you still whine. WTF, again.

"At this point, I'd prefer to see someone like him in power in the US. The frontrunners are bullshitters of the highest calibre. Obama who is easily the best choice of the mainstream can't even garner majority from McCain, who constantly sounds like he just woke up, or Clinton, who is quickly becoming a political laughingstock."

Ha! Nice deviation you did. You never tried to defend the flat tax, 'cause its the worst fiscal policy to ever exist and you know it. McCain and his bunch may be assholes who give everything to corporations, but at least, they shovel the flat tax throught America's mouth.

"I've shown you clips of electorial manipulation. If the news did it's job like a real organization and not a government puppetshow, people might realize that something is terribly rotten in Denmark errr Washington. "

Yes, it's rotten and corrupt. But if you really want to make it worse, send an even more corrupt and bourgeois-friendly politician in there: Mr. Paul. 'Cause libertarianism is the very expression of inequality and corruption.

"There's a few of them. Still, my position is that because the news excludes the man, Canadians have barely heard of him, and I'd bet 99.85% of that is from the internet."

True. But it ain't with "a few of them" that doing exposés on Paul will attract people to their news reports.

"You mean the progressive tax scale?"

No, I mean the contrary. The flat tax, where every taxpayer give the same % of its income to the State.

"Paul wants to cut taxes, which will drop a lot of revenue from the government's budget. By cutting a lot of the government's programs however, it would reduce the overspending going on, and probably actually save some money."

According to basic macro-economy, you better watch who and where you stop your spending. State investement is the largest investement in every western country. The jobs you cut, they usually support several others jobs in the tertiary sector. Also, government officials are usually not paid to waste their time, and offer a service to the population. All I've seen from Paul is a massive axe in spending by abolishing a lot, yet no plan for what will compensate those services.

"People who were living on welfare were put on more stringent rules and had to be more accountable, which personally was a good thing. It's bullshit when some asshole walks out of the welfare office wearing nicer clothes than the ones I work to buy, heads to the cheque cashing place, then the bar."

Looks like there were some problems in Alberta indeed, because in all my life, I've never seen a single "BS" looking anything more than very poor.

"I'm a social-conservative if that makes any sense. I believe in the government supporting the people, but not to the nancy-boy state that the conservatives get into. Libertarianism seems too medieval to me. We need some government oversight, just to regulate things and keep the provincial governments in line."

Meh, not many social-conservatives left in the world. That's why you won't find any time soon a good party to represent you or your interests. That sucks, plainly.

"As for Ron Paul as president, would it be better to have someone shake the foundations instead of just sweeping everything under the rug, which is exactly what the mainstream candidates offer."

And I think a middle-ground compromise is by far the best thing. Reforms work way better than revolutions, for they destroy far less, and tend to not ruin the lives of people. It looks like Obama is the guy who's the nearest of that position. Of course, he could turn in a total letdown. But then, he's by far the least worst candidate, and dare I say it, the best.

" The US market is in the shitter and we're getting dragged down with them"

Again, we must adapt ourselves instead of depending on our neigbhours. I doubt their reactionary basis will be bright enough to allow change to happen, so we must rely on ourselves and not them. THe openning of others markets for our country would be a good start.

"I disagree. I've mentioned RP to a few US citizens that live up here, and they are absolutely surprised that they've never heard of him. Then they wonder why they've never heard of him."

US medias should talk about RP, but not the Canadians medias until he gain some important support. US citiziens living in Canada should get their US-related news from US medias normally. But I can understand why they don't, considering how shitty the medias are down there.

"Yeah, i'm not too sure of that one. Rich people would barely miss the cash while poor people really would possibly. There is still state taxes, property taxes, municipal and rural taxes, sales taxes, and other assorted ones, that would be more than enough to insure proper infrastructure. Technically, his plan is still quite feasible, but he really would have to eliminate the income tax altogether."

Considering that the US is a upper-class parady, and it hasn't enforced the flat tax, you can see how much it's a right-wing extremist policy.

"Being broke causes people to be innovative. Currently with gas prices, and the housing forclosures, it's causing more people to be more innovative and frugal. If you ditched a lot of the government, those people would end up getting other jobs or retiring. Besides, federal workers should mostly be state workers. Federal oversight is way too expansive and should be at a state level.

It's all about management starting from the ground up. Making mayors and senators more accountable for their juristictions and actually give them power to make their own laws. When you put someone in a position where their decision actually does something, they will tend to work better."

I've always considered decentralisation as the best administrative way to go in a state of 10-20 millions people or less, or in a single nation. Transfering those federal jobs(along with taxing powers) is a great idea IMO, but that's not what I see in RP's program. There are only abolishing propositions, and no ideas to remplace the lost services.

"http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/home.html :P"

Now, how about a party that will actually win some seats in the House? Unfortunatly, our system pretty much ignore small parties and their voters, wasting their votes...

"McBush playing the Hitler card has done it for me."

Haha, yeah, that was pretty horible. Not as much as watching his cronies defend his move thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs&eurl=http://blogues.cyber
presse.ca/hetu/?p=70419731

"People don't seem to remember the fact that Harper is a total douche"

Totally true. The liberals did a good job at being corrupts assholes to make people forget Harper and his yes-men are as bad as them.