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Carbon Market Unofficially Born

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Australia's emissions trading market has been unofficially born - and the all-important carbon price has started at $19 a tonne. Energy giant AGL has sold banking giant Westpac 10,000 tonnes of "permits to pollute".


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chewbie, on 5/21/2008 2:54:58 AM
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the "carbon market" is more than 10 years old. I remember that following de-industrialization, romania sold other countries the right to pollute
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GunWillTravel, on 5/21/2008 11:10:52 PM
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This market is pure crap. So the rich (who can afford to be green) get to pollute, and the poor (who are struggling even while polluting) do not?

It's the same as the medieval church practice of selling indulgences which allowed people to sin.

Here's an idea - save your money and just quit polluting. Or pass stricter laws that punish pollution. But don't tell rich people to go on polluting and tell poor people they can't.
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jd8coke, on 5/22/2008 1:27:27 AM
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^ I think you are forgetting who makes the laws.
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darkm47, on 5/22/2008 11:17:48 AM
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Well I just totally sucked in a microeconomics course this semester but I believe this is simply an economic issue.

We're talking about corporations that generate profit and that which the government taxes. Forcing every corporation to emit zero pollution will crash the market and then you have a very unhappy government. That won't happen.

Also forcing every corporation to cut their emissions by a flat amount is also completely uneconomical. It would result in a loss of total economic surplus. You can simply see it as both well off and not so well off companies being treated as equals. One has more money, one has less. A flat amount will hurt one side while benefiting the other. Total economic surplus would suffer, that is, the total surplus of all corporations effected by the pollution cut would be less than using a more economical method.

So the best options in current theory are to either sell or auction off pollution permits, or in other words, a tax on each ton of pollutants. It's best to just quote my textbook at this point.

"The advantage of the tax approach is that it concentrates pollution reduction in the hands of the firms that can accomplish it at least cost. Requiring each firm to cut emissions by the same proportion ignores the fact that some firms can reduce pollution much more cheaply than others."
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Soda, on 5/23/2008 11:16:14 PM
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Hmmm i dunno...I mean the reason Howard and Bush declined on a treaty with Kyoto in the 1st place was because it would affect the economy and restrict growth. Maybe this isn't a bad idea. It would put money back into the economy as well as restricting carbon emissions through price. All companies rich and poor will have to reassess the way they handle emissions and being productive...but then again I'm no expert. Isn't farming one of the highest culprits of carbon dioxide? They are already having a rough time the droughts and all...how will they fare??
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