As Israel celebrates her sixtieth birthday here’s a look at some of the gifts she has lovingly given to her neighbours.


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medfreak, on 5/16/2008 1:37:59 PM
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The mere existence of Palestinians in the face of immense oppression, occupation and against the most high tech army in the region and backed by the superpower of the world, is a win in its own accord. Israel's original plan in 1948 was to drive the Palestinians out from the very beginning. Sixty years later, that is far from happening. IF anything, Israel must understand that those "pesky" Palestinians are not going anywhere, and they are procreating twice rate Israelis are.

In 60 years, either demographics win the game, or Israel is going to start its own holocaust against the Palestinians.


P.S. Palestinians did an election, Hamas won, power was transmitted peacefully, until Israel and the U.S. fucked up with the internal politics. Its not anyone's choice or the Palestinians' "Plan".
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the4thwall, on 5/16/2008 2:12:01 PM
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Here's a fun fact from your favorite Iranian:

If your an iranian jew, Israel will give you a home, job and about 30 000 bucks JUST to live there. Iran allows Jews to leave. Guess what? They don't leave.
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/16/2008 3:34:28 PM
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@medfreak

"The mere existence of Palestinians in the face of immense oppression, occupation and against the most high tech army in the region and backed by the superpower of the world, is a win in its own accord."

So you win when you are poor and dead? You win when you are living in a refugee camp? You win when you fight amongst yourselves? You have a funny outlook of what a "win" is.
Don't get me wrong meds...I am not giving Israel a free pass. I understand that they have done some shitty things.
My point is that the Palestinians do shitty things also that ultimatly only hurt themselves. The victim mentallity is the slave whipping himself to spite the master. It is self-destructive.
For a gang war to end somebody has to quit shooting.
All Palestinians are not good and not all Israelis are evil. Vice versa.
If there can be peace in N.Ireland there can be peace in the Holy Land.
Both sides MUST claim responsiblity for their repective shitty actions.
However, like you said, foriegn fingers are all in that pot (Western and Arab w/respective agendas) and it does not help.



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Beeker, on 5/16/2008 5:26:07 PM
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@Maximus

"If there can be peace in N.Ireland there can be peace in the Holy Land."

That's exactly the point: for Northern Ireland to become subdued, England had to actually talk to the militants. Force didn't work, and Israel damn well knows that. The elites in Israel are the ones that WANT and NEED the conflict to continue to expand their power in the region, influence within the 1/4th of the radical population inside Israel that is dependent on the state, and free pass with America so they can keep the money flowing in. Besides, they get to steal more valuable land with every attack, much of it already promised to Canadian and American developers (Read into Mod'in for a clear ass example).

Really, I love my friends that are from Israel, but they are very clueless and xenophobic because of everything they are pumped from a young age, and when I get the chance to describe the situation from the POV of the Arabs with evidence, they usually understand and become very very pissed off at their leaders (its happened at least 10 times now).

I am a supporter of the A Federated State of Israel, or some other name, but one that supports semi-autonomy but a degree of fairness and cooperation: I know the Palestinians would be down largely (many wish to be patrioted to Israel) but Israelis may have to face the reality of their state and not look across their borders at their supposed enemy, but above to their real.

~Cheers
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/16/2008 6:30:24 PM
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@Beeker

"Really, I love my friends that are from Israel, but they are very clueless and xenophobic because of everything they are pumped from a young age..."

...and the Palestinians are not? Again, roadblock. Gang war continues...The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens? The Palestinians leadership has quite a bit to gain from an ongoing conflict also.

Maybe it is time to implement the pantented K.E.N. method.

Kill
Everyone
Now

A doomsday solution of epic proportions. You have 1 year to work out your differences. If these set goals are not met within that time, two Neutron Bombs will be dropped in the area. Killing everyone and leaving the infrastructure intact. The ultimate reset button.....
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Beeker, on 5/16/2008 9:01:28 PM
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@Shanus

"Gang war continues..."

Thanks to artificially undermining the political process and supporting certain clan leaders. The Palestinians don't really have a choice in the matter.

"The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens?"

When exactly did that happen? Every "ceasefire" has been so de jure however not de facto. In fact, many times they stepped up operations despite claiming to be in a time of the opposite of such. It's their MO.

And Eh, killing all people tends to not really work in the long run.

~Cheers
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:29:36 AM
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That is fair to say of the Israelis...but again, no mention that the Palestinians play the same game...

Sounds like the Palestinians are a bunch of puppets then....OH did I say That?
I guess the Israelis play a better game (since they are the Western puppet).....solution? Do you have one? One stipulation....Israel must exist as a state...Any solution with that stipulation? Probably not....

<end drunken ramble>

Game square one...
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medfreak, on 5/17/2008 12:31:42 AM
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@Shanus

I don't know which news you have been watching, but the "gang" wars are over for a few months, ever since Hamas took control of Gaza the hard way.

It is now a Political process. And again, it is not a simple process to go and end all feuds when one side is being pumped with Money, weapons and support (Fatah) while the other is being boycotted and sieged. It is not like Palestinians possess a Borg mentality to solve all issues at a whim.

"The Israelis have tried cease fire and what happens?"

Oh please don't start with the chicken came first egg came first discussion. Israel NEVER EVER ceased fire. In fact I can easily claim the opposite.

In fact, Palestinians inside Palestine did not take up arms until 1988 when the first intifada started. during the time between 1948 and 1988 almost NO VIOLENCE was noted. Do you need a longer ceasefire than that?

"A doomsday solution of epic proportions. You have 1 year to work out your differences. If these set goals are not met within that time, two Neutron Bombs will be dropped in the area. Killing everyone and leaving the infrastructure intact. The ultimate reset button...."

I can already tell you what happens. Israelis well flee to countries like the U.S. and Europe, while Palestinians stay on their land.
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:34:46 AM
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@meds

"I can already tell you what happens. Israelis well flee to countries like the U.S. and Europe, while Palestinians stay on their land."

Yeah....I suppose that would be as fantastic as my doomsday plan.....
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ShanusMaximus, on 5/17/2008 12:37:08 AM
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@meds

Just like I am fed the slanted news, you are also fed a slanted news. And somewhere in the middle is the truth...
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