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Wolffe, on 5/18/2008 1:54:44 AM
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If people assume I'm some kind of pro-Nazi they can go fuck themselves. I've already explained to Bulshoy a long time ago when he was concerned and thats that.

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otester, on 5/18/2008 5:07:41 AM
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Fuck religion, they can all go suck hairy donkey cock.

Article is incorrect though so bashed.
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scout, on 5/18/2008 9:57:58 AM
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@Trooper111k,@nodnarb232001,

You can't use the quote that Wolffe used to attack Christianity, now, if he could find a similar quote from the NT which takes precedence over the OT, then fair enough.

Trooper, i believe you're referring to my comments directed at Hanafi, well let me say, his quote was ignorant, anyone who believes Christians are forbidden to eat pork are mistaken, but, more than that, that is exactly the same kind of ignorance that Muslims have to deal with when ignorant people attack the Islamic faith by quoting/misquoting the Quran, a double standard indeed.

The fact that i have/had respect for Hanafi made it all the worse.

I have now come to the conclusion that most Muslims on Shoutwire actually hate Christianity and as a Christian who actively supports the Palestians who are mainly Muslim i find it rather unpleasant TBH, this also leads me to another conclusion, i believe the same Muslims use the Palestinian cause to give abuse to Israel and Jews, they care nothing about their Palestinian cousins, they only care about venting their hatred at another faith group.

I'd like to add, i don't mind Christianity being attacked, i have done so myself when i saw need to, this is more about a double standard than the actual ignorance itself.

Oh, i believe Hanafi to be a sincere and honest individual.

@Wolffe,

"If people assume I'm some kind of pro-Nazi they can go fuck themselves. I've already explained to Bulshoy a long time ago when he was concerned and thats that"

Why dont you tell us what you told bulshoy instead of the response you gave here....dishonesty?


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Trooper111k, on 5/18/2008 12:42:53 PM
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"if he could find a similar quote from the NT which takes precedence over the OT"

Why should we? You should find a quote that take precedence over what the OT said, thus proving God changed his words, and say you can't do this or that anymore.

"who believes Christians are forbidden to eat pork are mistaken"

Nobody said that, they only quoted some sentences from the OT, showing two things: The OT is extremly old, both in age and the values it push, and that religious individuals choose to not follow God's words when it's inapropriate.

You call those statements ignorants...yet you don't refute anything. To any rational people, it ring some bells...

"I have now come to the conclusion that most Muslims on Shoutwire actually hate Christianity and as a Christian who actively supports the Palestians who are mainly Muslim i find it rather unpleasant TBH,"

First, you come to this conclusion without any proof or rational approach, you just shoot it.

Second, you mix political and religious crisis, not a bright move.

"I'd like to add, i don't mind Christianity being attacked"

Personally, I think this expose the problem, you think people "attack" Christianity. IMO, all Wolfe did in his first comment is an analogy from the Koran to the Bible, explaining you must not take litterally what is said in every "holy" book.
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scout, on 5/18/2008 1:41:19 PM
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"Why should we? You should find a quote that take precedence over what the OT said, thus proving God changed his words, and say you can't do this or that anymore"

So, you think quoting parts of the Bible or Quran without knowing the full book or context isn't ignorant?

"A few others included stonings to death for reasons I can't remember"

"Let him without sin cast the first stone" John8 V7

As for pork read, Acts of the Apostles..CH10 V's 9-16, sorry i can't type it out, my KB is screwed.

I'll return to finish tomorrow, it's taken me 40 mins to type this out so far.







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pheardotcom, on 5/18/2008 3:08:44 PM
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I couldn't agree more.
I've read nothing but honor killings, and rapists going to prison for just a couple months while the women who get raped get WHIPPED for having (forced) sex with other men. what's with that?

personally i wouldn't even touch the koran, but a friend of mine had to read it for school and guess what it said? In the holy book of ISLAM it says it's okay to beat your wife, and that women are inferior to men. no wonder islam and muslims are so screwed up.

judge a man not by how he treats his equals but by how he treats his lessers.
that shows what islam/muslims is all about.

Cheers romanov!
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Romanov, on 5/18/2008 3:23:51 PM
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wow someone who agrees with what i wrote
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Wolffe, on 5/18/2008 3:37:03 PM
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pheardotcom wrote:
I couldn't agree more.
I've read nothing but honor killings, and rapists going to prison for just a couple months while the women who get raped get WHIPPED for having (forced) sex with other men. what's with that?

personally i wouldn't even touch the koran, but a friend of mine had to read it for school and guess what it said? In the holy book of ISLAM it says it's okay to beat your wife, and that women are inferior to men. no wonder islam and muslims are so screwed up.

judge a man not by how he treats his equals but by how he treats his lessers.
that shows what islam/muslims is all about.

Cheers romanov!


You just almost quoted the bible there again.

How can everyone suddenly start to freak out about the Koran and say Islam is evil when Christianity does almost the exact same thing?

The only reason (in my opinion) were even talking about Islam right now is because the Western media barrages us with subliminal messaging to slowly hate everything Islam. And naturally, Islamic people will go "wtf" and not take that crap.

I'm sure if we left them alone, they'd leave us alone. On the other hand that might be too late because the damage has been done to them for thousands of years.
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Trooper111k, on 5/18/2008 5:07:35 PM
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""Why should we? You should find a quote that take precedence over what the OT said, thus proving God changed his words, and say you can't do this or that anymore"
So, you think quoting parts of the Bible or Quran without knowing the full book or context isn't ignorant?"

Maybe you misquoted me, or don't know how to read. All I've asked is you to show me NT quotes that refute what the OT says. There's a lot of them if I remember well, because after all, the Bible was written by men. BTW, I've read the Bible and I know it. But I won't try and search some boring lines that refute what even older lines say. Because in the end, it's still the oldest propaganda book in the world.
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SpiritualWarrior, on 5/18/2008 5:16:59 PM
Total Posts: 166, Joined: 7/9/2007
"I am not saying they have to abandon their culture, but i am saying they must integrate."

Integration usually means forsaking your own customs or having them die out slowly. My parents immigrated to Canada from Portugal when they were in their late teens. They didn't speak any English at the time and obviously didn't know much about North American society.

But they integrated, given a bit of time. But to do so, they had to rid of a lot of their customs - primarily, language. They had to learn English. They passed on Portuguese to me and my sister - and neither of us are perfectly fluent in it. But chances are, I'll probably marry a Canadian girl (hell, my girlfriend is Canadian). I'll have a tough time passing on those Portuguese customs, traditions, language to my kids and it'll eventually die out, given a bit of time.

You want Muslims to take out parts of their holy writings to better fit YOUR views of what society should be. That 'integration' (though I think 'assimilation' would be a better word) would eventually wipe out Muslim values (and no, they do NOT include fathers sending men to rape their daughters...fuck, do you even read what you write?). You want 1.5 billion people to follow what you say, just because you got a bad impression from a couple of verses in the Quran (which you would realize, had you actually read even a translated version, that those kinds of verses are taken horribly out of context). You are also pissed off because your gay Norwegian friend was insulted by a Muslim.

So you attack 1.5 billion people and their morals because of it? There are Christians who hate gays, there are Jews who hate gays, there are atheists who hate gays. So by your logic, are Christianity, Atheism, Judaism, and Islam all blights upon the world simply because a select few in these groups have those radical opinions?

You are under the sad, sad impression that everyone within a single religion or sect has exactly the same views. There are liberal Christians and conservative Christians - same with Muslims, Jews, and Atheists. By that gross and fallacious generalization that everyone in a particular group has the same views to the letter, you try to pin some jackass' comments on the Quran, Sharia Law, and bring up rape and honour killings.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You talk about modern, Western society being more advanced and how the world should follow Western society...yet you attack an entire religion in an emotional reprisal because a friend of yours was called a bad name. Hell, I'll tell you what. Next time a Satanist insults one of my friends, I'll go on Shoutwire and write a teary piece on how Satanism should be abolished in favour of good ol' Western values. Jackass.
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