Is it possible for a 23 year-old college student to pass an assignment when he can barely string together a sentence? The answer is “yes.”


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fugo, on 5/6/2008 2:11:01 PM
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SPOT ON.
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Urrelles, on 5/6/2008 2:54:29 PM
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Some people are asking "What if this guy was foreign?" "Maybe it is a second language."

The standard foreigner exercises top notch English writing skill than a native to the country. When they enter the Us they learn proper English and follow nearly all the rules of grammar when writing and talking. As a matter of fact, when talking to an exchange student, one will find themselves having to teach that student how to BREAK the rules of english during a conversation.
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Urrelles, on 5/6/2008 3:02:10 PM
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My school, Art Institute of San Fran, ran into this same problem stated int he article.

the school undertook a major expansion by adding game art to their degrees. They needed to fill up the place with students. So within 2 years the school was full of sociopathic gaming and anime morons who could hardly draw a stick figure. These idiots were passing life drawing, anatomy, animation, and eventually graduating from the school.

The career advisors found it harder and harder to get these students jobs. Gaming companies were just not interested in the trash our school was producing.

Eventually the shit hit the fan when one student, whose demo reel was so bad, sparked the attention of the academic advisors and president. His work was literally freshmen or high school level. The teachers were finally given the word to fail fucking students and the school recruiters were told to start looking at portfolios again.

Sadly all of this came too late and now it has become more desirable to graduate from the Acadamy of Art over the Art Institute.
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lankthetank, on 5/6/2008 3:33:37 PM
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This is the system that feel-good hippies (I said hippies, not necessarilly liberals) helped to create.

It makes a student feel bad to fail. So in order to boost his self-esteem, let's pass him even if he is a complete dipshit.

Teachers tiptoe around dumb students, EVEN WHEN these students are spending their entire day in resource rooms.

The system isn't necessarilly failing them. They're failing the system.

The system is designed to be the best it can be. Some people don't have the ability (or motivation?) to complete the system. Why pour mucho $$$ into the system if people aren't gonna even work for the system?

I'm sick of people talking about how bad education is here vs. there (general vague places) and shit. YES, some teachers suck. YES, some students have massive resources to learn with while others have none. BUT YES, some students just aren't capable of doing the work.

It's good that people are hopeful, and that people work toward bettering those that need it the most, but there comes a point...seriously. Who's to decide how important education is?

I see a lot of liberals (yes, liberals this time) arguing that the federal gov't needs to fund education more. But these are the same people wanting socialized medicine. And the same people who wanna beef up welfare. Where's the money come from? Who's to say what's the most important...who's to say that any of those are significantly important? How about this: socialize medicine, cut the pay of physicians, beef up welfare, but CUT THE TEACHERS' SALARIES!!! In NYS, a teacher can expect to start out with a bachelors degree (they'll eventually need their masters) working for upwards of $30,000+ plus full medical and dental....for a full year's worth of wor.....oh wait...sorry 10 months of work. Some veterinarians (8+ years of competitive and expensive school) won't expect to make that after 5 years.... cut the teachers' pay...and then make the education of the students more enriched by upgrading classrooms, cutting other ridiculous programs (cutting music and drivers ed for football is a common faux pas by many High schools).

Other questiosn come to mind: Do we concentrate on every kid, in hopes of maximizing overall productivity? Or do we focus on the best, hoping they'll close the gap left by those who couldn't succeed? College is quickly becoming the norm, and $100,000 of an education might get you a grocery store clerk job...

Back to the main point....Teachers need to fail bad students. It pisses me off when so many teachers talk about how much they love to teach and touch students (don't even), but pass every little shit that goes through their classes. I'll be glad to shout this article.



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Arsenal, on 5/6/2008 3:59:14 PM
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This is a great example of how the prevalent politically correct bullshit mentality of modern society is fucking us all up. Being spared 20 minutes of embarrassment and anger from a failing grade isn't worth the shitty future that lies ahead with that approach.

Here in Canada teachers can now get in trouble for yelling at a student (in elementary or high school). We're literally creating a generation of weak-willed sissies.

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jazzbone85, on 5/6/2008 4:20:48 PM
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"How about this: socialize medicine, cut the pay of physicians, beef up welfare, but CUT THE TEACHERS' SALARIES!!! In NYS, a teacher can expect to start out with a bachelors degree (they'll eventually need their masters) working for upwards of $30,000+ plus full medical and dental....for a full year's worth of wor.....oh wait...sorry 10 months of work."

Yep, great idea. What better way to encourage high quality teachers than to cut their salaries?!

I know that I certainly am inspired to work extra hard now that I make less money! Yeah!

Seriously...I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Leave salaries alone or else you're going to find that all those "bad teachers" you complain about could be much, much worse.

There is plenty of money in America (I know not everyone here is from their, but lankthetank mentioned NYS) to fund schools, pay teachers a good salary, and provide high quality education.
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sailirish7, on 5/6/2008 4:38:50 PM
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frostymug wrote:
finalflash wrote:
How
the flyin fuck is the US population supposed to catch up to and compete with the "Illegal Immigrants" much less the legal ones.

That's the thing, they're not supposed to catch up. This is all about the dumbing down of the world population for easier control of them by the powers-that-be.


Exactly! Remember the phrase "Knowledge is power"? It's a true statement. So knowing that, why would the powers that be want anyone smart enough to upset their applecart?

Mark my words, this shit is only going to get worse as time goes on. FFS they are already considering making text speak an official language! We should start basing bonus amounts for teachers on what the kids actually know when their done, not some standardized test.

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seahawks76, on 5/6/2008 5:02:15 PM
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To all of you who will soon be heading to college, take post to heart. Check out where you want to go to school and what their policies are, check their GPA average in comparison to job success rate for students leaving the school, etc... you should really care and find somewhere that will kick your ass for school. You'll be thankful for it afterwards. As a teacher I can't believe how faculty are swayed by student comments and passing percentages. It isn't "school" anymore, its all business. That's why I'm moving to a contmporary private music school to teach whatever the hell I want and to be a hard ass grade giver. I can't wait.
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gmc360, on 5/6/2008 6:09:27 PM
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It's called grade inflation and it has become ubiquitous over the last 20 years.

Basically it's a big circle jerk with everyone jerking eachother off and telling eachother how great eachother are...kind of like the corporate culture you will find in even a modestly successful company.

It's been said above, but basically it is a problem of incentives and cooking the books...err, I mean spreadsheets.
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GaaaaaH, on 5/6/2008 6:20:38 PM
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Flik wrote:
This is what happens when you give teachers incentives for passing students. Give a monetary bonus for having all your kids pass, and you're going to hurt the kids.
EDIT: And not to make fun of the kid, because unjust mockery apparently makes me an asshole, but in his opening line:
Moron wrote:
When us are thinking about what kind [...]

Is his second word, "us", supposed to be the objective form of "we" that we all think it is, or is he actually (not only) writing "yous", but spelling it wrong?


there was some vigilante graffiti in a paper that was "Youse are gonna pay"
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