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Free Will And Determinism: A Defense of Libertarianism

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This was an essay I had to write for one of my classes. Hope you guys enjoy it and btw Libertarianism is different from Libertarians. Ones a political position and the other is a philosophical standpoint on free will.


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Anonymity, on 4/12/2008 10:23:31 AM
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Shit is there anyway I can fix the format?
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Romanov, on 4/12/2008 10:42:48 AM
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What if our morals, thoughts, and duty/temptations were all developed in effect to a previously determined cause? If so, are not our actions just furthering a reaction? A reaction to the first event?
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Anonymity, on 4/12/2008 11:34:34 AM
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I see what your saying but I think the answer to your question is more of a Kantian approach. That is just because a cause happens does not mean that it is guaranteed we will get a certain moral, thought or duty. That is more of a probable assumption, it's true that causes can influence us, but again its not a for sure thing that I or any other person will have a set duty, thought etc.
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Romanov, on 4/13/2008 7:54:58 AM
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okay, fair enough
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archersaredelighted, on 4/14/2008 8:28:05 PM
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Wouldn't regular physics just decide our morals? Our thought-process does follow laws of physics doesn't it?
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[VaMpIrE^F00D], on 4/16/2008 4:39:31 PM
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Have to say we are all determined and there is no other choice. We all have underlying positions of character, geographic location, peers, an inumerable amount of influences on our personality and psyche. All of these mould who we are and are just a giant mathematical equation as to what the outcome of an event will be.

For people to say that our subconscious is where it is is (like this essay says) just pushing the problem further back, we are all influenced by many things and all this makes up our psychological makeup. This is probably most like a behaviourist (philosophy not bastardised psych) point of view, though I still see myself more as a rational phenomenolgist.

A person will always wish to have one outcome of any decision, they will always make that decision and there are no alternate decisions for them to make, so they are then determined as there was only ever one choice for them to choose.

Freewill and determinism is interesting, ultimately unsolveable but still interseting, I do still believe we are fully determined though, there are just so many variables in the equation it would take longer than our own lives to figure them out.

Btw read Henri Bergson's 'Time and Freewill' if you want an interesting take on the argument
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Romanov, on 4/16/2008 6:01:55 PM
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whatever floats your boat for the time being works for me
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Anonymity, on 4/16/2008 6:21:25 PM
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Ok first at archer its true that physics can play a role when dealing with matter, but trying to analyze our morals or thoughts with physics is a whole new problem because there are many theories regarding the mind such as Rupert Sheldrake and he proposes that the mind is independent of the body and independent of time and space for that matter. As for physics there are many things that cannot be determined though physics at the sub atomic level eg. the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which discusses how particles do not react in a causal or predictable way and if it is true that there are things that cannot be predicted using physics, then it also creates the possibility that it does not determine everything at the macro level
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Anonymity, on 4/16/2008 6:32:56 PM
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alright now for Vampire Food. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you and your views of Hard Determinism and Determinism in general because as Ayer says if determinism is true we are able to predict what will happen given the information, however if it is true that we are able to avoid the calamities in the future then it is true we cannot see into the future. This is true because if we are determined, our actions must be predictable. Like I said earlier its true that causes can influence us and help us make a choice, but ultimately the choice resides with the person because if our actions are nothing more then a series of causes, it cannot be said with absolute certainty that a person will act in a certain way until the action actually occurs and this is pretty much next to impossible.
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Anonymity, on 4/16/2008 6:35:44 PM
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o and btw i recommend that you read Strawson or Chisholm (who are both Libertarians)
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