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BloodStainedUSA, on 3/24/2008 3:08:51 PM
Total Posts: 18, Joined: 5/18/2006
Here i will save you some time

Matthew 1:1
1:1 A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: NIV

Matt 1:6
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, NIV

1:15-16
Matthan the father of Jacob, 16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. NIV

1:17
17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ. NIV

Luke 1:26-28
26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary.
28 The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you." NIV

The scriptures above show that Joseph was of the lineage of David. Mary, the mother of Jesus, (Luke 1-2) probably was of the tribe of Judah and thus in the line of David. (Luke 1:32.

Mary was a cousin of Elizabeth, who was one of the daughters of Aaron. Elizabeth father was Zacharias a priest of the division of Abijah. Read the complete lineage in Matthew chapter 1. Also in Luke 3. As to your question about Jesus not having an earthly father, the answer is simply this: Joseph was his earthly father in the lineage of Jesus because he was the husband of Mary, the mother of Jesus.
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Immaculate1, on 3/24/2008 5:08:34 PM
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BloodStainedUSA, it is common decency here to refer to a source when you copy and paste from a website. Funny thing is, that stuff you quote is just one of the first websites that pops up on google. Another funny thing is the word 'probably' in Mary's lineage.

Which comes basically down to this, if it is not mentioned clearly in the bible, we just make it out to be as we would like to think it to be.

And that's all the Bible is in the end, a bit playing around with words so you can interpret them any way you want.

From your copy and paste job, I take it, in the old days 'descending from' probably meant coming from a certain tribe (David's in this case), while today we know that descending from somebody means you are aligned genetically.

Of course God must have known about this DNA stuff since he all created it in the first place. But since he divinely inspired the Bible, why didn't he tell it right then? Why end up with such a fuzzy story then? Ok, he probably knew the 2000-year-ago-e-ans wouldn't have understood that genetic DNA blah blah, but he must have known the Bible should still mean something to us modern-day-e-ans who would have found out about DNA by this time.

Now I am wondering if somebody ever did a DNA test on both David and Jesus and thereby established Jesus his descendancy from David. We know today that children that seem to be born from a certain two parents can actually have one or two other genetic parents.
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BloodStainedUSA, on 3/25/2008 8:26:23 AM
Total Posts: 20, Joined: 5/18/2006
"GASP" oh my... i googled bible verses???
what a shame...
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ThisisJeff, on 3/25/2008 8:42:02 AM
Total Posts: 1344, Joined: 4/8/2007
^You are missing his point entirely, and yet agian you look at some words and interpret them to suit your agenda or will.


Nor did you answer any one of immaculate's , immaculate points.

So you dont think it is possible that someone lied or just said that mary was in the blood line of david to ALSO further an agenda? How about when you parents jingled sleigh bells out side your window to reiterate the fact that Santa was right outside and about to drop down through the chimney!


...yah about the same thing.
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Skanton, on 3/25/2008 12:47:08 PM
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Also BloodStainedUSA, can i get an answer to "nforce256"'s inquiry:

"Now second, and more important... I never have and doubt I ever will understand the concept of Jesus's sacrifice. Why must an innocent man die for everyone else's sin? Why would an all-mighty "all-merciful" "God" that Christians claim to have take the blood of an innocent man? Why must Christ pay for the sin that started with Adam & Eve, and why is the rest of humanity damned for that sin?"

The bible tells us stories of great miracles and impossible phenomenon, its quite a coincidence that we never experience them in modern times. Im sure you have an explanation for that, just like you will have an explanation for anything. Religion comes with a loophole where any question can be answered. Even when the answer is ridiculous to some, it will be acceptable to others.
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ParticleMan, on 3/25/2008 1:04:51 PM
Total Posts: 1320, Joined: 12/5/2005
yea, i never understood that either.

jesus died for our sins, which sins?

and if jesus died for those sins, and 'paid some debt' then why are you still effected by those sins? if they're gone, why do you still have them?

and why is there an original sin? What kind of sins have newborn babies commited?

sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.


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Immaculate1, on 3/25/2008 3:53:18 PM
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@BloodStainedUSA

""GASP" oh my... i googled bible verses???
what a shame..."

There is nothing wrong with googling stuff and copying it here, that was not my point. I simply mean that if you do that you should give us readers here a link to where you got your quotes from.

And don't say it's just bible verses, the last paragraph of your post wasn't a bible verse but somebody's interpretation of those verses.

If you quote a website it's only good courtesy to give others the same opportunity and give a link so they can visit, read and judge that very same website.

But I did a google myself for the words 'mary david bloodline' and that site you quoted was one of the first to come up so that's why I recognised it immediately. Because I had read it already and I knew it made a lot of assumptions and no solid proof what so ever.

Another favourite explanation of Jesus' lineage through Solomon or Nathan is that Jesus can only have one father and therefore the other father mentioned 'naturally and logically' must have been his father-in-law, Mary's father.

Which isn't logical at all but just a fabricated assumption.

Anyway, great job of not going into any of the other points I brought forward, you must have great faith in your own beliefs.

Oh yeah, for the record, I am not an atheist. I think I got a pretty close relationship with God. But I'm not a fan of the bible.
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rabidbeaver, on 3/25/2008 5:32:04 PM
Total Posts: 646, Joined: 2/21/2006
@ bloodstained, you have no relationship with god if you believe Jesus (pbuh) is his son, or apart of some wholly trinity bullshit, Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.

Ah fuckit you fuckin christain's are to fucking stupid to listen anyway's.
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omegared, on 3/26/2008 8:41:07 PM
Total Posts: 38, Joined: 4/13/2006
Someone please explain to me the Adam and Eve story, this is how i see it.
Adam and Eve were in the Garden. There were two trees they could eat from, the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God said do not eat from the tree of G&E. So in comes the Serpent and the serpent tells the women to eat from the tree of G&E. The women, being the inferior species, then proceeds to eat from the tree. God then gets angry banishes humans from the Garden and then as punishment gives women the PAIN, keyword is PAIN, of childbirth. Now, how the hell was the women suppose to know that the snake was an "evil" being if God never told her what evil was in the first place? Sexist, intolerant, violent, the bible should come with a warning label.
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Immaculate1, on 3/27/2008 1:38:26 AM
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"the bible should come with a warning label."

Now there's a good idea.
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