@dockwats

your assuming that we would take action against Iran to depose it's government and change it's infrastructure.

Thats not neccessary in this case. We dont want to change them, we simply want them without nuclear capability. They can spout rhetoric all day long, as long as they give up nukes and stop supplying our enemies with weapons.

If this means we need to strike their supply points, military positions on the border, and their nuclear power plants, then that is what it takes.

In the first gulf war we did not need to invade Iraq. Attacking it was all that was neccessary. The same applies to Iran. We do not need to 'beat them into oblivion', simply make it difficult for them to continue the actions we have tried to convince them to stop. If we level their nuclear facilities, they will have to rebuild, find new scientists, get new materials, which will be harder to do. If we attack their weapons strong holds and military bases, they will be more concerned with cleaning up the mess and replacing personnel and materials instead of giving weapons to insurgents.

Should they decide to invade Iraq to bring the fight to us, well we are already there and positioned and more than ready for the fight.

allied policy and negotiation takes a long time and arduous time to accomplish because it does not WORK. Regimes, governments change, so do societies. Look at North Korea. Years of talks and negotiations has gotten nowhere with them. Look at Africa. Look at Saddam. Decades of begging and pleading and embargoes and sanctions have done nothing but allowed people to continue doing what they are doing and making demands when they dont have the advantage. There is a time when Military options must be exercised to do move things forward.

Words escape me to try and explain how far removed from reality Hyena is. Apart from your grasp of evolution (only the strong survive?), your take on the middle east is just laughable. All I can do to discredit you is to point everyone to your previous posts and hope that they will read them.

I know it's painful enough the first time, so I'll summarise:

He has a right to speak, you do not

"it is a fundamental LAW of existence (or it should be).. MIGHT makes RIGHT"-yes, he really said that

"we don't negotiate with Terrorists. It only encourages them"

People like him...(this is a full-blown narcissistic rant where he says he's the military, the government and true America.)

NSA wiretapping for all is a good thing.

Alberto Gonzales fired people with whiny friends, that was his downfall, not bringing politics into law, and forgetting every meeting or decision he was ever involved in.

Al Queada is far from full strength and has been proven as such.

You can't prove Al Quedas' strength-"It's not like you can send out census cards, or count people wearing 'Al Qaeda leather jackets'"

Bush has been a huge success-"history will reflect this in about 40 years when we look back on this time period"

I'll finish up on this, but before I do, I want the average American to know that this is why your image abroad is tarnished so much. After the twin towers were hit, we all felt bad for America and waited for the inevitable retaliation. You can understand our confusion then, when America proceeded to attack two countries that were unrelated to the attacks. But maybe you knew something the rest of the world didn't, so although we weren't happy we could sort of understand. Until, that is people like hyena explain it to us texas style, that's when we understand that all this bloodshed is for nothing.

Now, your lame duck in chief has been puffing up his feathers at Iran, and talking peace in the middle east(while giving Israel $30 billion for some reason which escapes me, aid for Israel, no insurance for kids). All the while you have pirates like hyena saying that you shouldn't talk peace, bomb first, ask questions later, and bush is right(right to bomb or right to talk peace, I can't keep up). Again, this is a confusing stance for most normal people to take.

For the average American, being for peace does not "embolden" or show support for terrorists. For the others like Hyena, Reagan is not coming back, the rapture is not coming, you are not any gods chosen people, you can make a mistake(but maybe not admit it)and you aren't invincible.

In the immortal words of hyena-

"it'll be the convicted heroes like me and my generation, Texas proud, Texas Strong that gets any REAL fixin' done!"

@scobiewan

Seriously, thats the best you got?

""it is a fundamental LAW of existence (or it should be).. MIGHT makes RIGHT"-yes, he really said that"

- Show me where survival of the fittest is NOT the hallmark of existence? Only the strongest people, tribes, cultures, nations, societies, traditions, species, trends, stories, history, EVERYTHING prevails. Everything else is LOST in time, because it was not HARDY enough to survive. The MEEK shall INHERIT the Earth.. but it will be the Strong that they inherit it FROM, at the end of days.

""we don't negotiate with Terrorists. It only encourages them""

- You'll be surprised but MOST civilized nations dont NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS, because when you DO, it encourages every little terrorist group in the world to take actions to get themselves to the table to make demands. Soon everyone would be blowing up car bombs if they thought it would accomplish whatever goals they wanted, from religious recognition to saving baby cows from becoming veal.

"NSA wiretapping for all is a good thing."

- you've resorted to lies. THats a shame, because I never said this. I believe Wiretapping is acceptable, as long as they have reason to believe so. You simply twist it to make it seem as if i'm for the government listening to your phonecalls to your boyfriend. When you resort to distortions of truth, and out and out attempts to discredit someone through them, you've hit rock bottom.

"Alberto Gonzales fired people with whiny friends, that was his downfall, not bringing politics into law, and forgetting every meeting or decision he was ever involved in."

- Again, you've taken what i said, and put your own 'i want to make you look bad spin' on it, but who cares right? In actuality that statement is right. Alberto didnt bring politics into law, the democrat witch-hunt did. And it's interesting how it's more than fine for Liberals to have any and all kinds of memory lapses about incriminating situations, but whenever someone else does it, it's 'hiding the truth!'
Didnt seem to bother people during the Clinton years.

"
Al Queada is far from full strength and has been proven as such."

- well regardless of what current articles have been saying, You know what? I'm going to give you this one.. you're right Al Qaeda IS at full strength! Which is good news to me, because it shows that the enemy is still there and the war is not over and must be dealth with. Those al qaeda fighters arent going to simply go home if the U.S. leaves afghanistan and Iraq, and the region surely isnt going to just suddenly to toss out decades of religious in-fighting. But i can garuntee that no matter what happens, any long-lasting negativity in the region will always be attributed to the U.S.

"You can't prove Al Quedas' strength-"It's not like you can send out census cards, or count people wearing 'Al Qaeda leather jackets'"

- Yes i said that. Now tell me where it's wrong.

"Bush has been a huge success-"history will reflect this in about 40 years when we look back on this time period""

- a future prediction. Did you just get back from 40 years from now to tell me if i'm wrong?

"For the average American, being for peace does not "embolden" or show support for terrorists. For the others like Hyena, Reagan is not coming back, the rapture is not coming, you are not any gods chosen people, you can make a mistake(but maybe not admit it)and you aren't invincible."

- Thats a nice generalization of what you WISH was true of America, but it just goes to show how little you know about us. I find it interesting how time and time again, we are told that any opinions we have on others outside the U.S. are invalid or wrong or skewed, because we do not live in the region or know these people, and yet every half-assed poster on shoutwire from whatever third-class nation they hail from seems to be some sort of imminent expert on American society.

The worst part of it is, they cant understand why we do the things we do when their 'sources' keep forcing them to believe that Americans are opposed to blah blah blah... or that the polls show this or that..
And then America does something entirely different. Instead of looking for real reasons why they are consistently wrong with their observations about America, they simply continue relying on the same unreliable sources, and believing that any manner of corrupt actions took place to explain why you were wrong.

Give it up. If you stop hating trying to hate us so much and so hard, you'd probably find yourself supporting us.