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Fechter, on 12/15/2007 1:06:58 PM
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"Adsense and doubleclick make up about 90% of the advertising industry right now, and I guarantee you that you won't see a bad ad on those networks."

From http://www.ca.com/us/

"DoubleClick is a mainstream ad network that uses tracking cookies to target advertising."

"DoubleClick fails the cookie score-card due to their compact P3P policy. Double Click's cookies come with the following tags, which automatically results in failing the cookie scorecard. The failing tags are: DEM, INT, PSA, PSD, UNI, PUR, PRE, and the fact that the NID tag is missing from the compact p3p policy. The presence of these tags indicates the loss of expected privacy for the end user, such as the potential collection of information on methods of payment, age, gender, income, habits and interests for purposes of profiling."

I think most people consider tracking cookies to be more invasive than a simple text advertisement. Do you really think that it's OK for doubleclick to be collecting information on my "methods of payment, age, gender, income, habits and interests" without my consent?
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schmalzbauer, on 12/15/2007 1:29:13 PM
Total Posts: 159, Joined: 2/25/2006
The only ad-blocking I do is for pop-up ads, as I've had bad experiences with those kinds of ads in the past, blocking/Anti-Virus software or not. Any banner ads that appear on the page are not blocked, however. And, to be honest, many banner ads on webpages have scored me some wicked deals on computer hardware and software, and not to mention anything technological. As annoying as they are, ads are rather handy if you take the time to peruse through them.

That being said, I would like to see ad-blocking software that only blocks popups past a set number (say if you went to a site and you got littered with popups, the software would only allow the first two). The website/company still gets some revenue, and you're not either robbing them entirely, or being angered/annoying.
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Brorim, on 12/15/2007 2:03:46 PM
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adds can go to hell in a monkeysuit.

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Scobiewan, on 12/15/2007 2:21:55 PM
Total Posts: 452, Joined: 6/22/2006
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"Why are "ads" a necessary evil? TV, Internet, it isn't free, we pay for it, some more than others."

You pay for your tv? I always thought avderts pay for your tv, or in the UK your tv license pays for BBC, but the others are free unless you subscribe to Sky or whatever.
Did you pay to comment on this site? You didn't? Well how does the site keep running-magic intertubes fairy money? Ask any of the eds here, adverts pay for this site. All you pay for is the connection to the net, provided by your ISP who also need money to keep the infrastructure up and running because the fairy never gives them money either. As long as the ad isn't intrusive, false, doesn't store information on my browsing history or fuck my shit up I don't care how much there is.

"i make it a habit to avoid companies who force "ads" down my throat at every turn."

That's your choice, and mine too. I can't remember buying any product ever because of its advert. I can say that adverts can put me off something, the i-pod being an example. You can have adverts on this site which you can ignore, or you subscribe a few bucks every month or per comment. Personally, I think the submitters should get some money from every story that gets ad revenue, but I'm greedy(I also wouldn't make any money, judging on my past submissions!).

AS for printed media, there are very few that have a large enough circulation to make a profit without excessive advertising. Without that advertising, they couldn't exist and so advertising is necessary.

I hope you now finally realise why we need advertising, because I'm really sick of typing the "a" word. I can't really explain it any easier. I don't like it, but it's here to stay, and probably likely to get worse unless its annoyance factor is curtailed by the people who run the sites, or we start to complain a lot more than we do.


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Immaculate1, on 12/15/2007 3:49:23 PM
Total Posts: 5508, Joined: 7/16/2006
^ Fido, do you got a link to that $50,000 laptop you speak about? I'd like to see it's specs.
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Urrelles, on 12/15/2007 6:55:20 PM
Total Posts: 438, Joined: 5/12/2007
"It's like in the book No Logo, if the companies who pay to have their advertisements on popular websites took even a quarter of that money and spent it on their actual product, they'd need much less advertising, since people would naturally be attracted to a good product."


Sadly this is not true, especially in the entertainment business. How many video games, movies, electronics, or books have passed by the masses unnoticed. Tons. Firefly, Vagrant Story, Zoop MP3 (I think that's the name), Zone of Enders 2.

Tons of products pass by us unnoticed because they are not marketed well enough in comparission to the big boys. i-Pod has pulled the attention of all music listneing consumers and people hardly know a thing about the other companies.

Marketing has a huge affect on a products sales. Sony has learned that pumping out shitty games with great ads yields more cash than taking time to make a great game with little advertisment. This is why Sega failed with its last few consoles.



I personally hate these intrusive ads, just like everyone else here. Instead of getting no script and ad blocker, I just avoid annoying ass sites with horrible ads. I don't go Gamasutra, IGN, or Gamespot. I do go to Game faqs. I go wherever the ads remain as background objects. A smart company was Gamefaqs, their big featured ads are displayed as a wallpaper on their site. The ad blends into the sight borders, but gets the point across.

That's how an ad is supposed to be, not flashing smileys saying "COME OVER HERE!" or little shit windows popping up everytime I move my mouse somewhere.
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3r1c, on 12/15/2007 7:18:49 PM
Total Posts: 4, Joined: 8/27/2007
if your browser crashes when viewing some ads its because your using a shit browser/computer/browser extensions or your already have a virus.

browser crashing is NEVER EVER EVER the websites fault! why? because browser makers are supposed to make their browser properly process any webpage thown at it, no matter how bad, without crashing.

if your browser is crashing then you have some buffer overflow vulnerability and disabling the ads is probably just giving you a false sense of security.

unless you are visiting shady websites you dont have to worry about viruses, if your stupid then you deserve it.

i am very knowledgable with computers, i use internet explorer, i have no virus scanner or firewall. i visit hacker sites and i have never got a virus from any website. BECAUSE IM CAREFUL and i dont just download any crap on my pc.
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BlackShadow, on 12/16/2007 12:50:22 AM
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ads i dont give a shit about....ads with sound and pop ups are irritating as all hell. dont necessarily have to get rid of them just get rid of the annoying ones that just piss people off and make them leave the page three times faster. oh and btw 3r1c....i bet if you put an anti virus on your computer or anti spyware. that shit would have a field day with your computer. doesnt matter how careful you are. the only way to even know if you HAVE a virus now a days is either your computer screws up or you have an antivirus to let you know..hey something is here that shouldnt be...retard.
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nodnarb232001, on 12/16/2007 1:32:40 AM
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@3r1c
"browser crashing is NEVER EVER EVER the websites fault! why? because browser makers are supposed to make their browser properly process any webpage thown at it, no matter how bad, without crashing."
- So, what about ads that are horribly coded? What about corrupted code? I've seen ads made in Flash that have brought browsers to a screeching halt. While browsers are coded for optimal performance and compatibility- there are people who have managed to sink to new levels of idiocy when coding that we haven't prepared for.

"unless you are visiting shady websites you dont have to worry about viruses, if your stupid then you deserve it."
- Of course- it's always the victim's fault. Never mind the fact that there are people out there making a huge sum of money through exploitation. They aren't the criminals- the victims are.

"i am very knowledgable with computers, i use internet explorer, i have no virus scanner or firewall. i visit hacker sites and i have never got a virus from any website. BECAUSE IM CAREFUL and i dont just download any crap on my pc."
- Good for you- nobody cares. The day you slip up, all hell will break loose on your comp.
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frostymug, on 12/16/2007 5:29:47 PM
Total Posts: 50, Joined: 11/9/2007
Why would anyone not expect a marketer to be for advertising??? It's what pays this guys bills. He can't exist without advertising.

As for a business that is "having revenue stolen" by not being able to see ads, boo-fucking-hoo. We all have opportunities taken from us on a daily basis. Isn't it said, the early bird gets the worm? Well, figure out a new method of revenue without trying to shove your crappy product, freebie, promotion or whatever else people advertise down my throat.

Local tv is free becuse of advertising, true. That and radio (free, not satellite) are the only ways forced advertising is ok. Once I start paying (in the sense of HBO or Showime) notice the only ads I see are for upcoming shows? Why, becuase they don't need the money from advertisers.

This all brings me to movies. What the fuck is the deal with me paying near $10 for a movie and then being subjected to commercials? If the movie was free, fine, make me watch 'em. Or if I had a choice to see a free film with ads or a pay film without, then again, ads are ok.

I don't have the choice and it's fucked up! Why am I paying to see ads that are there to make the theater more money? Well, these days I'm not.

Here's to downloading! But I'm guessing all the marketers are not for that either...
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